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T O P I C R E V I E WEmpty SpacesI have no planets,no aspects.It delays children?We should count only major aspects and applying aspects but they are either too wide or ain't major.Libra in 5th house cusp.Applying aspectsVenus mars (0)sesquiquadrateVenus moon (-9) moon too wideVenus neptune (0) semi squareSeparating aspectsMercury sextil venus (-3)Venus uranus (0) semi squareTo be honest I don't want to have kids too soon cuz I need to focus in my career first to be able to give them or he/she a comfortable life.Anyway I'm curious.How do you see lack of aspects,planets?Please don't quoteAries23DegreesSaturn in 5th could delay children or have one see them as a massive responsibility.But that is just one interpretation and is not cast in stone as there are many people with this position who have kids.For a person to want to put their career first above all and grow in that area, Saturn is likely aspecting the Moon/Sun, Venus/Mars.What does your chart look like?Empty Spaces Thanks a lot for your help I haveSaturn trine moon (7)Saturn inconjunct mars (1)Saturn semi sextil sun (1)Please don't quoteHonestly I just started to think about it lately as I'm having money troubles and no financial stability but after looking into my chart I wonder if when time comes and I decide to have kids I will have problems or delays.CapriciousCapricornEmpty spaces,Check these:1) Sun - ruler of 1H2) Sun - ruler of 4H3) Sun - Moon4) Mars - ruler of 4H5) Mars - ruler of 5H6) Mars - Sun7) Mars - Moon8) Moon - ruler of 1H9) Moon - ruler of 5HBasically 1+4+5 formula for a start, rulers of these houses and significators. Ideally you want + (harmonious aspect) with all 3. Planets in 1st, 4th and 5th houses are part of the formula. For example, Saturn in 5H is part of the formula. So Saturn in 5H trine Moon means 5+1, Pluto in 1H square Mars in 4H means 1-4.Angelic star quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:Saturn in 5th could delay children or have one see them as a massive responsibility.But that is just one interpretation and is not cast in stone as there are many people with this position who have kids.For a person to want to put their career first above all and grow in that area, Saturn is likely aspecting the Moon/Sun, Venus/Mars.What does your chart look like?The stereotypical explanation is that it makes people too serious to enjoy softer pleasures of life and when in love they are advised to relax in order to receive some love. My saturn in the 5th house is too serious at times to have fun, though I feel there are other aspects that give a softer vibe here. I have a Saturn trine moon.Aries23DegreesYour fear of possibly not being financially capable to provide for your kin consistently, is similar to mine and very Saturnine in essence.Saturn strong personal planets (Virgo too) may make an individual very cautious when it comes to responsibilities and having to commit to something that is permanent. There is an emphasis on sobriety, doing things by the book and not biting off more than one can proverbially chew.In may ways, many can see this as a perfectionist trait one has.It really is a belief that is founded on the idea that any responsibility once taken on (whether job,marriage or relationship)should be handled in a sober, competent fashion.There is a great amount of guilt therein if it is not. And what is worse is that one can never "take back" the role of being a parent. Its no trial run, its an ad-hoc situation in essence. And Saturn people are weary of those and want to be extremely sure before venturing out to them.My next question to you would be; what would then be your decision if you never reach the level of financial stability that you desire? Will that mean that you scrap the idea of having children altogether?Aries23Degrees quote:Originally posted by Angelic star: The stereotypical explanation is that it makes people too serious to enjoy softer pleasures of life and when in love they are advised to relax in order to receive some love. My saturn in the 5th house is too serious at times to have fun, though I feel there are other aspects that give a softer vibe here. I have a Saturn trine moon.Saturn in 5th CAN have fun. And loads of it. But it is fun that is capped i.e fun within boundaries and/or restrictions.Here Saturn wants to get the work part out of the way and then can relax into having fun and being creative. But within a set limit and never overboard.If Saturn in 5th can mix work and pleasure. That is heavenly. As that is how they can lessen the guilt of going so "easy" on themselves.I see Saturn in 5th as the type that may enjoy seeing a live performance that is more intimate in its setting(an intimate audience) Enjoying house parties or places where the environment is more "closed off".I also see Saturn in 5th as the type who may enjoy things such as team building exercises, bowling with fellow employees and "group" activities within a work environment.Saturn in 5th does have a tendency to worry a great deal though. And to soothe that guilt(Saturn)- that often surrounds fun and relaxation(5th), it is best that the activity has some sort of "productive" outcome i.e the person literally feels the effects straight after the activity -whether its a more relaxed body or laughter etc.For parents with Saturn in 5th,assigning a babysitter or a child minder to take care of the children now and then, may take the strain off them constantly feeling like they have to be helicopter parents.Empty SpacesCapriciousCapricornI'm late, sorry.Thanks for helping me!!That's what you mean?Moon in 1st houseJupiter in 4th houseEmpty 5th houseRulers1st house mercury4th house mercury5th house venusThen-Venus sextile mercury (separating aspect though)-Jupiter square mercuryI don't have much things,I guess.#Please don't quoteAries23DegreesI have capricorn sun,sometimes I forget that lol I'm very responsible but no I wouldn't,I woudn't quit the idea.I just have some time until the clock starts ticking so there's no need to rush You did explain very well the dynamic of earth sun,it is very much how I feel. Kids are much more responsability to me though,much more than marriage or anything else.Thanks again!! #Could you please unquote my post?I mean the things about my chart?CapriciousCapricornEmpty Spaces,OK, then you check all these:Mercury-VenusMercury - MoonMercury - SunMercury-JupiterMercury-MarsMoon-VenusMoon-SunVenus-JupiterVenus-MarsOut of the things you mentioned:Mercury sextile Venus - 1+5 and 4+5 ---------- this is really good, 1+5 means you like the idea to have kids (people with 1-4 often don't want kids), also that your body (1) can give birth (5). 4+5 means getting pregnant + giving birth. Mercury square Jupiter - 1-4 ------- this is a negative because body (1) either cannot get pregnant (or takes a long time) (4) or rejects the foetus (miscarriage for example). This is the reason why you need all three in the formula. 1 (you, your body) + 4 (get pregnant and carry the baby) + 5 (give birth). But if you do not have all three it still does not mean that you won't have children! It means that it might not be an easy pregnancy or maybe difficult to get pregnant (depends on what's missing in your chart) or no problems at all because you get pregnant/give birth at favourable time (good transits!). If, for example you are worried about 1-4 link in your chart (Mercury square Jupiter) then you can pay more attention to these planets ( and Moon!) in whatever prediction methods you use (directions, progressions, transits etc), choose a good time. Moon in 1H - 1+4 ------ this is a plus, sort of helps with that 1-4 link above Empty SpacesThanks again.Very interesting method Capricious!!I'm fascinated...and worried hehe The square is wide (I forgot to mention) does that count for anything? I hope so (-7)Moon/venus trine super wide (-9)Mars/venus sesquiquadrate (0)Most of my contacts in natal are wide lol My 5th ruler falls in 9th house,do you know something about it??#please don't quoteCapriciousCapricornEmpty Spaces,yes, of course. I think the orb does matter. Maybe the the square with -7 orb is not potent as it does not involve the luminary.Ruler of 5H in 9H. Birth abroad? Children abroad? Don't know. BUT I think love abroad is way more likely because ruler of your 5H in 9H is Venus, right? Planet of love after all. Maybe you meet your love abroad or he will be a foreigner? Better to see what other connections Venus makes (aspect, rulers, houses etc). Venus with ruler of 6H for example could mean working with children, looking after them, teaching job, nursing and similar. So do check what other houses/planet/rulers/dispositors etc etc connect to your 5H/Venus to connect the dots. Empty SpacesOhh that is a relief.Child abroad it's an interesting take I feel the impact of my venus in 9th house.I love other cultures and languages (especially english) and people.I also have saggitarius DSC but the ruler goes to my 4th house which makes think I would meet my future husband here where I live.You go really deep into these things Capricious.Do you have a website or something like that?I would love to read the things you write.CapriciousCapricorn quote:Originally posted by Empty Spaces:You go really deep into these things Capricious.Do you have a website or something like that?I would love to read the things you write.Oh, noo I don't write well so all I do to share my astro-musings and learn more is post lots of unanswered threads that usually only seem interesting to me.CapriciousCapricornSorry, you asked not to quote before but I did in the last post because it didn't have any personal chart info. Anyways, let me know, if you want I will unquote.CapriciousCapricornInteresting. There is a lot of mutability in your chart, isn't there? All you angular houses are mutable (or at least 3 right?). If, let's assume your husband will be from 'home', then this home can change because 4H is in mutable sign of Virgo, you might move abroad and make a new home there. It's possible. Your Asc is in Gemini (mutable), your 7H cusp in is Sag (Mutable), your Venus (5H ruler) is in 9H (mutable! house). And we didn't even go into Mercury (sign and house) but it is your chart ruler and apart from 1H it also rules your 4H. I don't want to call Mercury a mutable planet (that wouldn't be right exactly) but it's a planet that rules 2 mutable signs for a reason. So if I only take all this into account, then you might like/need change, movement and need for growth/expansion in your life. For that reason, there might be a change of home, change of husband (that means more than one). People with mutable signs on Dsc are much more likely to remarry than other signs. It's all possible. That's astrology. Can happen but might not Empty SpacesOh that is a pity,I was excited to read your articles I'm being very honest,I loved your style and I think you have a lot to share 🍒There's no need to unquote,thanks! As you said there's no personal info there Yeah all the 4 angles are mutable! To be honest,I'm not very much into change lol but I'm very adaptable.My chart is a mix of cardinal and mutable. Cardinal : sun/mercury/mars/jupiter/uranus/neptuneMutable: moon/ASC/venusFixed: saturnThat's pretty cool.I like my country but I would like to move abroad and meet different places.Well as long as I have my family and someone else that I'm in love with beside me I can be happy anywhere.#I heard about the possibility of more than one marriage but my cap sun cringe with this idea.You are a cappi too, I think you understand lolYou are right it is just the potential to happen,we have to keep that in our mind,always.Beautiful_LightI have Saturn on 5th house cusp...it's a difficulty in relaxing and having fun around people and being a child sometimes...the Saturn Return causes us to loosen up.visions No 5th ruler aspects..no planets in 5th ! lol this is good no worry !! at least you have a 5th house !!! not like me ! xDDDDCapriciousCapricornEmpty Spaces, Thank you "I heard about the possibility of more than one marriage but my cap sun cringe with this idea.You are a cappi too, I think you understand lol"Yes, of course. We want the one the only to be out there for us! Not two, not three I think I must be 'worse' than you in this regard because I'm so stupidly idealistic: 3 personal planets in 5H, 2 in Aquarius and 1 in Pisces (both highly idealistic signs). It's great that you have such a pronounced mutability in your chart (Moon as well!). It helps in love life because successful relationships require compromise and you probably are capable of being flexible.Empty Spaces quote:Originally posted by visions: No 5th ruler aspects..no planets in 5th ! lol this is good no worry !! at least you have a 5th house !!! not like me ! xDDDDHahahha what do mean?how come you don't have 5th house? Empty SpacesCapriciousCapricorn We are on the same boat.Besides venus in pisces,I have sun conjunct neptune.I'm very idealistic too Which planets do you have in 5th house?Do you have kids already?I think is pretty cool to have planets in 5th house CapriciousCapricornOh, me too! I'm a Sun conjunct Neptune Cap like you then I have Moon (Aqua), Venus (Aqua) and Mars (Pisces) in 5H. And no, no kids yet, need the right person to have them with. 5H is cool, yes but it has its problems too, like any other house I guess. 5H usually if you have something there you'll need to give that planet a 'job' in the description of 5H so that it can manifest its best qualities. So if you are creative - become an artist, a musician, a dancer etc etc, if you love kids - become a mother, have more than one child, or work with kids in some way etc, if you like sports - try doing it professionally or at least do it as a hobby, or do something that involves sport etc. Now I like sport (both watch it and play it), I like music a lot (used to play). But I haven't done anything in my life to advance with any of these things. I quit playing piano, I quit sport and I know for sure that I'd be good at teaching children but I didn't choose that path. So those 3 planets of mine in 5H never got a job they would be good at. Yet they still want to live and breath, they haven't moved to a different house, have they So what's happening now is that because the planets couldn't express their best they now express their worst. The worst is having too much fun, procrastination, laziness, not being serious about life, carelessness. I can think of more but that list alone is long. So I would advice anyone to pay attention to the house that personal planet falls in. Better take care of the planet than let it take care of you. Moon in 1H? Must be able to express how you feel. Don't try to be an ice queen, with emotions and feelings under control. Especially with Venus in Pisces. Venus (5H ruler) in 9H? Make it a point to expect from your love interest to bring out personal growth in you. The least he must be is someone who doesn't drag you down in any way. Expansion is the key word here.RandallExpansion.
Libra in 5th house cusp.
Applying aspectsVenus mars (0)sesquiquadrateVenus moon (-9) moon too wideVenus neptune (0) semi square
Separating aspectsMercury sextil venus (-3)Venus uranus (0) semi square
To be honest I don't want to have kids too soon cuz I need to focus in my career first to be able to give them or he/she a comfortable life.Anyway I'm curious.
How do you see lack of aspects,planets?Please don't quote
For a person to want to put their career first above all and grow in that area, Saturn is likely aspecting the Moon/Sun, Venus/Mars.
What does your chart look like?
I haveSaturn trine moon (7)Saturn inconjunct mars (1)Saturn semi sextil sun (1)
Please don't quote
Honestly I just started to think about it lately as I'm having money troubles and no financial stability but after looking into my chart I wonder if when time comes and I decide to have kids I will have problems or delays.
Check these:
1) Sun - ruler of 1H2) Sun - ruler of 4H3) Sun - Moon4) Mars - ruler of 4H5) Mars - ruler of 5H6) Mars - Sun7) Mars - Moon8) Moon - ruler of 1H9) Moon - ruler of 5H
Basically 1+4+5 formula for a start, rulers of these houses and significators. Ideally you want + (harmonious aspect) with all 3. Planets in 1st, 4th and 5th houses are part of the formula. For example, Saturn in 5H is part of the formula. So Saturn in 5H trine Moon means 5+1, Pluto in 1H square Mars in 4H means 1-4.
quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:Saturn in 5th could delay children or have one see them as a massive responsibility.But that is just one interpretation and is not cast in stone as there are many people with this position who have kids.For a person to want to put their career first above all and grow in that area, Saturn is likely aspecting the Moon/Sun, Venus/Mars.What does your chart look like?
The stereotypical explanation is that it makes people too serious to enjoy softer pleasures of life and when in love they are advised to relax in order to receive some love. My saturn in the 5th house is too serious at times to have fun, though I feel there are other aspects that give a softer vibe here. I have a Saturn trine moon.
Saturn strong personal planets (Virgo too) may make an individual very cautious when it comes to responsibilities and having to commit to something that is permanent.
There is an emphasis on sobriety, doing things by the book and not biting off more than one can proverbially chew.
In may ways, many can see this as a perfectionist trait one has.It really is a belief that is founded on the idea that any responsibility once taken on (whether job,marriage or relationship)should be handled in a sober, competent fashion.
There is a great amount of guilt therein if it is not. And what is worse is that one can never "take back" the role of being a parent.
Its no trial run, its an ad-hoc situation in essence. And Saturn people are weary of those and want to be extremely sure before venturing out to them.
My next question to you would be; what would then be your decision if you never reach the level of financial stability that you desire?
Will that mean that you scrap the idea of having children altogether?
quote:Originally posted by Angelic star: The stereotypical explanation is that it makes people too serious to enjoy softer pleasures of life and when in love they are advised to relax in order to receive some love. My saturn in the 5th house is too serious at times to have fun, though I feel there are other aspects that give a softer vibe here. I have a Saturn trine moon.
Saturn in 5th CAN have fun. And loads of it. But it is fun that is capped i.e fun within boundaries and/or restrictions.
Here Saturn wants to get the work part out of the way and then can relax into having fun and being creative. But within a set limit and never overboard.
If Saturn in 5th can mix work and pleasure. That is heavenly. As that is how they can lessen the guilt of going so "easy" on themselves.
I see Saturn in 5th as the type that may enjoy seeing a live performance that is more intimate in its setting(an intimate audience) Enjoying house parties or places where the environment is more "closed off".
I also see Saturn in 5th as the type who may enjoy things such as team building exercises, bowling with fellow employees and "group" activities within a work environment.
Saturn in 5th does have a tendency to worry a great deal though. And to soothe that guilt(Saturn)- that often surrounds fun and relaxation(5th), it is best that the activity has some sort of "productive" outcome i.e the person literally feels the effects straight after the activity -whether its a more relaxed body or laughter etc.
For parents with Saturn in 5th,assigning a babysitter or a child minder to take care of the children now and then, may take the strain off them constantly feeling like they have to be helicopter parents.
I'm late, sorry.Thanks for helping me!!That's what you mean?
Moon in 1st houseJupiter in 4th houseEmpty 5th house
Rulers1st house mercury4th house mercury5th house venus
Then-Venus sextile mercury (separating aspect though)-Jupiter square mercury
I don't have much things,I guess.
#Please don't quote
Aries23DegreesI have capricorn sun,sometimes I forget that lol I'm very responsible but no I wouldn't,I woudn't quit the idea.I just have some time until the clock starts ticking so there's no need to rush
You did explain very well the dynamic of earth sun,it is very much how I feel. Kids are much more responsability to me though,much more than marriage or anything else.
Thanks again!!
#Could you please unquote my post?I mean the things about my chart?
OK, then you check all these:
Mercury-VenusMercury - MoonMercury - SunMercury-JupiterMercury-MarsMoon-VenusMoon-SunVenus-JupiterVenus-Mars
Out of the things you mentioned:
Mercury sextile Venus - 1+5 and 4+5 ---------- this is really good, 1+5 means you like the idea to have kids (people with 1-4 often don't want kids), also that your body (1) can give birth (5). 4+5 means getting pregnant + giving birth.
Mercury square Jupiter - 1-4 ------- this is a negative because body (1) either cannot get pregnant (or takes a long time) (4) or rejects the foetus (miscarriage for example). This is the reason why you need all three in the formula. 1 (you, your body) + 4 (get pregnant and carry the baby) + 5 (give birth). But if you do not have all three it still does not mean that you won't have children! It means that it might not be an easy pregnancy or maybe difficult to get pregnant (depends on what's missing in your chart) or no problems at all because you get pregnant/give birth at favourable time (good transits!). If, for example you are worried about 1-4 link in your chart (Mercury square Jupiter) then you can pay more attention to these planets ( and Moon!) in whatever prediction methods you use (directions, progressions, transits etc), choose a good time.
Moon in 1H - 1+4 ------ this is a plus, sort of helps with that 1-4 link above
and worried hehe The square is wide (I forgot to mention) does that count for anything? I hope so (-7)
Moon/venus trine super wide (-9)Mars/venus sesquiquadrate (0)
Most of my contacts in natal are wide lol My 5th ruler falls in 9th house,do you know something about it??
#please don't quote
yes, of course. I think the orb does matter. Maybe the the square with -7 orb is not potent as it does not involve the luminary.
Ruler of 5H in 9H. Birth abroad? Children abroad? Don't know. BUT I think love abroad is way more likely because ruler of your 5H in 9H is Venus, right? Planet of love after all. Maybe you meet your love abroad or he will be a foreigner? Better to see what other connections Venus makes (aspect, rulers, houses etc). Venus with ruler of 6H for example could mean working with children, looking after them, teaching job, nursing and similar. So do check what other houses/planet/rulers/dispositors etc etc connect to your 5H/Venus to connect the dots.
Child abroad it's an interesting take
I feel the impact of my venus in 9th house.I love other cultures and languages (especially english) and people.I also have saggitarius DSC but the ruler goes to my 4th house which makes think I would meet my future husband here where I live.
You go really deep into these things Capricious.Do you have a website or something like that?I would love to read the things you write.
quote:Originally posted by Empty Spaces:You go really deep into these things Capricious.Do you have a website or something like that?I would love to read the things you write.
Oh, noo I don't write well so all I do to share my astro-musings and learn more is post lots of unanswered threads that usually only seem interesting to me.
There's no need to unquote,thanks! As you said there's no personal info there
Yeah all the 4 angles are mutable! To be honest,I'm not very much into change lol but I'm very adaptable.My chart is a mix of cardinal and mutable.
Cardinal : sun/mercury/mars/jupiter/uranus/neptune
Mutable: moon/ASC/venusFixed: saturn
That's pretty cool.I like my country but I would like to move abroad and meet different places.Well as long as I have my family and someone else that I'm in love with beside me I can be happy anywhere.
#I heard about the possibility of more than one marriage but my cap sun cringe with this idea.You are a cappi too, I think you understand lol
You are right it is just the potential to happen,we have to keep that in our mind,always.
"I heard about the possibility of more than one marriage but my cap sun cringe with this idea.You are a cappi too, I think you understand lol"
Yes, of course. We want the one the only to be out there for us! Not two, not three I think I must be 'worse' than you in this regard because I'm so stupidly idealistic: 3 personal planets in 5H, 2 in Aquarius and 1 in Pisces (both highly idealistic signs). It's great that you have such a pronounced mutability in your chart (Moon as well!). It helps in love life because successful relationships require compromise and you probably are capable of being flexible.
quote:Originally posted by visions: No 5th ruler aspects..no planets in 5th ! lol this is good no worry !! at least you have a 5th house !!! not like me ! xDDDD
Hahahha what do mean?how come you don't have 5th house?
We are on the same boat.Besides venus in pisces,I have sun conjunct neptune.I'm very idealistic too
Which planets do you have in 5th house?Do you have kids already?I think is pretty cool to have planets in 5th house
I have Moon (Aqua), Venus (Aqua) and Mars (Pisces) in 5H. And no, no kids yet, need the right person to have them with.
5H is cool, yes but it has its problems too, like any other house I guess. 5H usually if you have something there you'll need to give that planet a 'job' in the description of 5H so that it can manifest its best qualities. So if you are creative - become an artist, a musician, a dancer etc etc, if you love kids - become a mother, have more than one child, or work with kids in some way etc, if you like sports - try doing it professionally or at least do it as a hobby, or do something that involves sport etc. Now I like sport (both watch it and play it), I like music a lot (used to play). But I haven't done anything in my life to advance with any of these things. I quit playing piano, I quit sport and I know for sure that I'd be good at teaching children but I didn't choose that path. So those 3 planets of mine in 5H never got a job they would be good at. Yet they still want to live and breath, they haven't moved to a different house, have they So what's happening now is that because the planets couldn't express their best they now express their worst. The worst is having too much fun, procrastination, laziness, not being serious about life, carelessness. I can think of more but that list alone is long. So I would advice anyone to pay attention to the house that personal planet falls in. Better take care of the planet than let it take care of you. Moon in 1H? Must be able to express how you feel. Don't try to be an ice queen, with emotions and feelings under control. Especially with Venus in Pisces. Venus (5H ruler) in 9H? Make it a point to expect from your love interest to bring out personal growth in you. The least he must be is someone who doesn't drag you down in any way. Expansion is the key word here.
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